9-11 has brought

many good things.

1.the death of saddams regime.
2.the death of OBLs regime.
3.the death of the taliban regime.
4.the death of liberalism in America-marginalized.
5.the death of the lefts monoply of the US media.
6.the death of the wacky left not being challenged
7.the death of the arab countries seeing the US as weak.
8. the true colors of our so-called allies.

Feel free to add more, I'm out.

 

out ,

and you base those 8 points on what facts ?

And what is your source ?

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25 to life because you couldn't controll your anger

 

[PatPatriot]

Baghdad Bobs situation reports.

 

[FunkSoulBrother]

OutandUp, liberalism will be back.

Especially if Bush is right and brings us long lasting peace through these wars.

After 15-20 years, the kids of Bush-supporting whackos will grow up only knowing peace, and rebel against their parents.

It happened in 1960, it will happen again.

Just give it time....these things are cyclical.

I mean, we all thought blind Nationalism was dead in the West after the fall of Hitler, but that hasn't stopped people like you.

Just consider it 1940 right now. Its only 20 years till peace love and weed come around again.

I can't wait. I'll be a "cool" dad.

 

[KillerWatermelon]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>2.the death of OBLs regime.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Too early to make the call on that one IMO; although, it does appear to be headed in that direction. But I doubt OBL's regime will ever be completely dead (at least, not in our lifetime).

 

[Brazil4Worldcup2002]

death to international law at the hands of the pre-emptive strike policy

 

The death of the Constitution and the Bill Of Rights.

 

There's one really big change in America and that's the liberal media does not have free run anymore. When the left comes up with silly non truths they are quickly corrected these days.

Lets take the whole myth of the Iraqis children were dying by the millions at the hands of the UN sanctions. The liberal media played that lie up for 12+ years. We all know that was not true because saddam was still selling oil and was building huge palaces all the country and hoarding 100's of millions if not billions of dollars.

 

they're all common fukin knowledge. which one do you not believe?

 

[Phaedrus]

When the left comes up with silly non truths they are quickly corrected these days.

inandout, I din't know you were part of the left ... at any rate you are hardly one to point out others' silly non-truths.

1.the death of saddams regime.

Saddam is in fact out of power, yes. The disposition of the Ba'ath Party has yet to be seen. And what exactly does either have to do with 9/11? I found a quarter in the parking lot of the Beeline yesterday; was that because of 911?

2.the death of OBLs regime.

Osama bin Laden had a regime? I'm sure no one would be more suprised to hear that than him. I take it as a given that you know nothing about OBL's policies and beliefs.

3.the death of the taliban regime.

On the contrary, the Taliban is alive and well in Afghanistan, right where we left them. As W. said, "There's no such thing as a Taliban anymore." Except now, there is. This is demonstrable but no one cares -- they can't be back; we got rid of them, right?

4.the death of liberalism in America-marginalized.

I'd welcome it, but this is purely delusional wishful thinking on your part.

5.the death of the lefts monoply of the US media.

If the left has a monopoly on the media, how is it that Rush Limbaugh, Chris Matthews, Bill O'Reilly etc. all have jobs?

6.the death of the wacky left not being challenged

If the left never gets challenged, where the hell did we get you? Let alone reasonable, credible conservatives who actually think before they hit the keyboard.

7.the death of the arab countries seeing the US as weak.

This is just you making up shit to say. No country on earth thinks of the US as "weak." Corrupt, morally bankrupt, lazy, undereducated, warlike, officious, etc. yes, but no country in the world has a sincere desire to go toe-to-toe with the US, regardless of what the talking head on the front end of the regime has spouting out of his mouth.

8. the true colors of our so-called allies.

Try the true colours of the US, tool. "Diplomacy" versus "diplomacy if and when it suits us."

I can't decide if you're just a kid so young you have no meaningful recollection or education regarding US history, or if you're just a stupid old tool spouting off because you have nothing better to do with your time. It's genuinely hard to tell.

On issues not related to the Middle East (notably gun control) you actually post lucid stuff; even your grammar and spelling are better. Why not stick to what you know?


Phaedrus

 

If they're not dead, they're on life support. as long as we a have a president that's tough on terrorist states we'll be OK. OBL had to have support from states to finance his operation. if we get an appeaser in then we could be back to square one. for now we're OK.

 

It seems we have some common ground. The problem is you're a complete azzhole.

When I say 9-11 brought us many good things, I'm referring to the change in most Americans train of thought. You can argue that the taliban, OBL and saddam are still viable. my point is the US would not have faced the fact we needed to take these people down unless we were hit like 9-11.

Fox and talk radio are recent big hits the liberal leftest media goes back a long ways.
You do agree that liberal talk radio will not make it in American.



Obl had free run in Afghanistan so yes he had his regime at his training camps. don't be a dumbazz.

 

when clintoon was in office the arab countries percieved the US as weak. arabs were responsible for the first WTC, khobar towers, the 2 bombings in africa and the USS cole. clintoon did nothing when these attacks occured except run his mouth. In somalia clintoon quickly retreated when the terrorist struck there. you're telling me they percieved the US as strong. give me a fukin break, you know better than that.

 

So out are you saying there will be no more terrorist attacks ?

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25 to life because you couldn't controll your anger

 

I never said that. Our borders are wide open and we have a terrible immigration problem.

Now that these terrorist states know we mean business they will be less likely to assist someone like OBL. It's nice to know if say Syria is ever behind an attack against the US the Syrian government will be taken out. Now if a democrat is voted in then we're back to square one becuase we'll be perceived as weak again.

 

[kayaman+]

"they're all common fukin knowledge. which one do you not believe?"

The convers constantly deny the common knowledge that Bush is an unintelligent being.

The left is dead???
It's a pendulum, it always swings back and forth. Look at just a small piece. In the mid to late 60's the public went hard core left, which toned down through the 70's and began towards the conserv side starting in 80 with Reagan. Throughout the 80's it went more and more conserv, young republican storm troopers on the rise, etc. That lasted up through the first part of Bush 1's term but started to soften. Then the almost always key factor the pocket book took hold, the economy suffering the effects of 12 years of repubs people were ready to change again. So it went the other way again, 8 years of Clinton. Then the public disappointed with a president that lied to them and having no strong democratic candidate and a little extra help in Florida, Bush 2 got in.

And so on and so on, it goes back and forth. It's part of our system and as someone here pointed out (sorry don't remember off hand who), the extremes on both sides help to keep things more moderate over all.

 

right, however, America has been fooled so long by ABC, NBC, CBS and CNN. That is clearly not the case anymore. Those stations ratings are way off and FOX is going through the roof. Why? because Americans were starving to see a different point of view. When the right and left debate openly the right wins hands down.

The old scare tactics just don't work anymore. The if you vote a republican in office another black church is going to burn. The republicans are going to take grandmas social security away. These little false but clever scare tactics are not going to work. Democrats can't tell you why a voter should vote for them they can only demonize their opponent.

Currently the big lie the DNC is floating is the tax cuts are for the rich. Well guess what the democrats believe a teacher and a nurse with a combined income of 90K is rich. WTF! The other funny thing is 10% of the population pay 90% of all the taxes. So yes when there's a tax cut the 10% that pay most of the taxes are going to benefit, couples that make 90K should get to keep more of their hard earned money. If a person doesn't pay taxes why sould they get a hand out?

 

[GrandSlam+]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The left is dead???
It's a pendulum, it always swings back and forth. Look at just a small piece. In the mid to late 60's the public went hard core left, which toned down through the 70's and began towards the conserv side starting in 80 with Reagan. Throughout the 80's it went more and more conserv, young republican storm troopers on the rise, etc. That lasted up through the first part of Bush 1's term but started to soften. Then the almost always key factor the pocket book took hold, the economy suffering the effects of 12 years of repubs people were ready to change again. So it went the other way again, 8 years of Clinton. Then the public disappointed with a president that lied to them and having no strong democratic candidate and a little extra help in Florida, Bush 2 got in.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There isn't a pendulum regarding national politics. Saying the public went hard core left in the 60's is absurd. The GOP made big gains in 1966, Nixon won in 1968, then had a landslide victory in 1972. He wasn't 'hard core left'...his opponents were and you saw the backlash (expect the same in 2004).

After Watergate, Carter won not through his ideological message but to clean up Washington. I could make an argument that he was more conservative than Ford. The country didn't go conservative when Reagan won in 1980; it already was there. A weak candidate beat a liberal in 1988, and a New Democrat (ie not a liberal) beat that the incumbant President who failed to keep his word and alienated his base. In 1996 an out of touch old man from inside the Beltway attempted to take on a incumbant who a year earlier said "the era of big government is over". In 2000 both candidates argued for small government spending and lower taxes. The trend is there. To be elected President, you have to be (or pretend to be) conservative.

The liberals survived the last 40 years because they controlled the Congress. They no longer do so, and thanks to their huge leap to the left under Pelosi's leadership they will remain out of power for the next generation.

 

George W. Bush gives us preciously little indication that he has the capacity to rise above his biases and wishful thoughts. He seems bereft of intellectual curiosity or the ability to seriously weigh alternative views. His policies appear to be crafted to serve the short-term interests of his corporate sponsors, to the detriment of the long-term interests of humanity and of the global ecosystem that supports us. He surrounds himself with personnel from his father's administration, notably Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, who act and talk as if they had walked through a time-warp, untouched by discoveries or conditions less than a decade old. The same tax policies that tripled the national debut under Reagan and George the First are back again, as is missile defense – a scheme with technological flaws far more apparent than those that doomed the crews of Challenger and then of Columbia.

John Kennedy learned a cruel lesson from the Bay of Pigs that served him and us well during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He learned not to allow wishful thoughts to get in the way of brutal facts and evidence. We can scarcely imagine Bush being equal to that sort of challenge.

So it is up to our Congress to "just say no." And if they don't, then it is up to the American electorate to find themselves a new Congress and a new Administration at the first opportunity.

If not, the consequences of our willful ignorance upon our children, grandchildren, and all succeeding generations, will be inexorable, irreversible, and horrible beyond our imagination. The fact remains that this president will be the cause of his own demise. He has led a charmed 30 months, the next 18 will be his undoing. As politically naive as the average American tends to be, they still know a pig in a poke when they see one. Thus the 2004 result is inevitable. Whatever candidate the Democrats stick out there will win be default.


wil.

 

[kayaman+]

"Saying the public went hard core left in the 60's is absurd."

That's absurd.

Guess you missed that whole, woodstock, hippie, vietnam protesting (first time the U.S. public so openly and directly questioned their government), civil rights movement thing.